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		<title>Comment on When Should Instinct Be Ignored? by Eric</title>
		<link>http://hereticsway.gluontheferengi.com/2010/07/30/when-should-instinct-be-ignored/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.mypostingcareer.com/forums/index.php?/topic/56-the-stupidity-of-intelligence/</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Bicycle and the Chasm by Giovanni Dannato</title>
		<link>http://hereticsway.gluontheferengi.com/2010/07/26/the-bicycle-and-the-chasm/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Giovanni Dannato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea is that you have no choice or on the other side is a priceless goal.  Somehow you have to make it work.

I understand the metaphor&#039;s not exact in every single way, nor is it meant to be.  I mean, walking across would be a lot easier than using a bicycle.  Actually, crawling across would be better still....
 The idea is to form a visceral mental image and imagine what it would feel like and how one would succeed or fail.
You are taking this far too literally.

The point is that faced with a situation that invokes our instinctual fears, giving into these fears tends to worsen our situation.  A quick look at real life tells us it&#039;s far from absurd to suppose we&#039;ll come against unpleasant situations we can&#039;t avoid.  Actually, that &#039;s pretty much situation normal.

Consider:

 -investors who panic and jump out of a market when prices are low instead of when they are high.

-a person who can&#039;t swim panicking, thrashing frantically, keeping away the swimmer sent out to rescue them, quickly gulping in water instead of holding breath.

-a panicking soldier who tries to flee out in the open instead of keeping behind cover.

I guess your main objection here is about the coercive element in this scenario.

Consider:

-A person who opts for car travel out of fear of air travel. (cars much more dangerous.)

The person avoids a perceived chasm by choosing a route that seems much more innocuous on the emotional visceral level.  This person has made the wrong choice when it comes to maximizing safety.

The instinctual reaction to being thousands of feet up in the air, knowing that if something does go wrong, however unlikely, we&#039;re pretty much dead can be pretty intense.
The fearful appearance of this chasm thus clouds our judgment when one would be better off crossing.

OR the said person can choose to never travel anywhere again in their life using any form of transportation...
To entirely avoid the chasm and avoid risk one would very nearly need to avoid life itself.  For most people this isn&#039;t a real choice.  We have bodies that require food and shelter.  We have a strong inbuilt desire to go
out and connect with other human beings.

So I ask then is the &#039;free&#039; situation a true or more realistic representation as you seem to suggest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea is that you have no choice or on the other side is a priceless goal.  Somehow you have to make it work.</p>
<p>I understand the metaphor&#8217;s not exact in every single way, nor is it meant to be.  I mean, walking across would be a lot easier than using a bicycle.  Actually, crawling across would be better still&#8230;.<br />
 The idea is to form a visceral mental image and imagine what it would feel like and how one would succeed or fail.<br />
You are taking this far too literally.</p>
<p>The point is that faced with a situation that invokes our instinctual fears, giving into these fears tends to worsen our situation.  A quick look at real life tells us it&#8217;s far from absurd to suppose we&#8217;ll come against unpleasant situations we can&#8217;t avoid.  Actually, that &#8216;s pretty much situation normal.</p>
<p>Consider:</p>
<p> -investors who panic and jump out of a market when prices are low instead of when they are high.</p>
<p>-a person who can&#8217;t swim panicking, thrashing frantically, keeping away the swimmer sent out to rescue them, quickly gulping in water instead of holding breath.</p>
<p>-a panicking soldier who tries to flee out in the open instead of keeping behind cover.</p>
<p>I guess your main objection here is about the coercive element in this scenario.</p>
<p>Consider:</p>
<p>-A person who opts for car travel out of fear of air travel. (cars much more dangerous.)</p>
<p>The person avoids a perceived chasm by choosing a route that seems much more innocuous on the emotional visceral level.  This person has made the wrong choice when it comes to maximizing safety.</p>
<p>The instinctual reaction to being thousands of feet up in the air, knowing that if something does go wrong, however unlikely, we&#8217;re pretty much dead can be pretty intense.<br />
The fearful appearance of this chasm thus clouds our judgment when one would be better off crossing.</p>
<p>OR the said person can choose to never travel anywhere again in their life using any form of transportation&#8230;<br />
To entirely avoid the chasm and avoid risk one would very nearly need to avoid life itself.  For most people this isn&#8217;t a real choice.  We have bodies that require food and shelter.  We have a strong inbuilt desire to go<br />
out and connect with other human beings.</p>
<p>So I ask then is the &#8216;free&#8217; situation a true or more realistic representation as you seem to suggest?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Bicycle and the Chasm by timeLESS</title>
		<link>http://hereticsway.gluontheferengi.com/2010/07/26/the-bicycle-and-the-chasm/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>timeLESS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isnt the purpose of this fear to NOT cross the chasm in the first place? the fear wants you to turn around, think again and look for a safer option. To not listen to your fear would mean to choose to cross the chasm. 

fear seems to work very well to me in most more &quot;free&quot; situations, and your example more or less the exception that proves the rule. 

Only when we dont listen to our fears we find ourselves panicking, because we entered there where were telling ourselves not to go. 

anyway, thanks for the blog :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isnt the purpose of this fear to NOT cross the chasm in the first place? the fear wants you to turn around, think again and look for a safer option. To not listen to your fear would mean to choose to cross the chasm. </p>
<p>fear seems to work very well to me in most more &#8220;free&#8221; situations, and your example more or less the exception that proves the rule. </p>
<p>Only when we dont listen to our fears we find ourselves panicking, because we entered there where were telling ourselves not to go. </p>
<p>anyway, thanks for the blog <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Fairness is Irrelevant on the Macroscale: A Truth of Human Nature by Lazarus Benedict</title>
		<link>http://hereticsway.gluontheferengi.com/2010/07/25/191/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazarus Benedict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 10:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say that your posts are incredibly insightful and that I enjoy reading your blog. Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say that your posts are incredibly insightful and that I enjoy reading your blog. Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Traditionalism and the Mind of Society by Giovanni Dannato</title>
		<link>http://hereticsway.gluontheferengi.com/2010/07/09/traditionalism-and-the-mind-of-society/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Giovanni Dannato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://kiifc.kikkoman.co.jp/foodculture/pdf_01/e_020_023.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Detailed information about traditional Japanese fermentation processes.&lt;a / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://kiifc.kikkoman.co.jp/foodculture/pdf_01/e_020_023.pdf" rel="nofollow">Detailed information about traditional Japanese fermentation processes.</a><a / rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why The Hippies Failed:  The Futility of Cultural Rebellion in the 60’s and the 70’s by Giovanni Dannato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni Dannato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bopsecrets.org/PH/hippies.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This link proved highly relevant to the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bopsecrets.org/PH/hippies.htm" rel="nofollow">This link proved highly relevant to the subject.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Conscious Self As Telemetry System by Hulda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hulda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider this: Stephen Hawkin said, &quot;Too often we think of ourselves as human beings here for a spiritual experience, when the truth is, we ARE spirit beings, here simply for a human experience.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider this: Stephen Hawkin said, &#8220;Too often we think of ourselves as human beings here for a spiritual experience, when the truth is, we ARE spirit beings, here simply for a human experience.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Pitfalls of Micro-Specialization in Mass Societies by Lazarus Benedict</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazarus Benedict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post brought to mind this website: http://orthocracy.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post brought to mind this website: <a href="http://orthocracy.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://orthocracy.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Table of Contents by Lazarus Benedict</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazarus Benedict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear that! Now I can finish reading your posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear that! Now I can finish reading your posts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Conscious Self As Telemetry System by Giovanni Dannato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni Dannato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose by &#039;brain,&#039; I meant our &#039;braininess&#039; or ability to act on a conscious level.  You make a solid point about the imprecision of my word choice.  In response to your criticism, I have replaced &#039;brain&#039; with &#039;conscious self.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose by &#8216;brain,&#8217; I meant our &#8216;braininess&#8217; or ability to act on a conscious level.  You make a solid point about the imprecision of my word choice.  In response to your criticism, I have replaced &#8216;brain&#8217; with &#8216;conscious self.&#8217;</p>
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